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		<title>By: Tools vs. intentions in Health at Every Size. &#171; Mouthfeel: The Story of Fat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tools vs. intentions in Health at Every Size. &#171; Mouthfeel: The Story of Fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at all interested in considering your health, no matter what definition is used, then that is your entirely legitimate choice, and you are still eligible to have human rights, and to be involved in f.... For many people, health is simply not something they are interested in thinking about, period. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at all interested in considering your health, no matter what definition is used, then that is your entirely legitimate choice, and you are still eligible to have human rights, and to be involved in f&#8230;. For many people, health is simply not something they are interested in thinking about, period. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally! I've heard some people in the fat acceptance movement, say something like "Well you should go out there and exercise, to prove that fat people are healthy" I feel like, what does that prove other than being able to relax is a privelage only afforded to thin people? I eat healthy, I mean seriously eat a salad every other day. I never got into exercise, probably never will. Chalk it up to bad P.E. experiences, or something else. It's not happening. The only exercise I do, is exercise that involves video games. Which is why they keep making games that combine exercise. It is unfortunate, that moving your thumbs around for over an hour, is not considered true exercise. LoL

If I want to do something active I'll do it. If I don't, I don't see where that fits in with "Get your lazy butt up and do some working out, or people will think cause you're fat you are lazy". I'm fat and I'm lazy, there I said it. Big deal. I mean, on the Mr. Men show Mr. Lazy is thin, so what does that say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally! I&#8217;ve heard some people in the fat acceptance movement, say something like &#8220;Well you should go out there and exercise, to prove that fat people are healthy&#8221; I feel like, what does that prove other than being able to relax is a privelage only afforded to thin people? I eat healthy, I mean seriously eat a salad every other day. I never got into exercise, probably never will. Chalk it up to bad P.E. experiences, or something else. It&#8217;s not happening. The only exercise I do, is exercise that involves video games. Which is why they keep making games that combine exercise. It is unfortunate, that moving your thumbs around for over an hour, is not considered true exercise. LoL</p>
<p>If I want to do something active I&#8217;ll do it. If I don&#8217;t, I don&#8217;t see where that fits in with &#8220;Get your lazy butt up and do some working out, or people will think cause you&#8217;re fat you are lazy&#8221;. I&#8217;m fat and I&#8217;m lazy, there I said it. Big deal. I mean, on the Mr. Men show Mr. Lazy is thin, so what does that say?</p>
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		<title>By: peggynature</title>
		<link>http://peggynature.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/the-obligation-to-be-healthy-at-every-size/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>peggynature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Fatadelic, your comment is actually exactly ON-TOPIC. I didn't realize until after I wrote this that it would be interpreted as a message for people in fat acceptance. Really, it's both a defense of HAES and a critique of the culture of healthism at large.

&lt;i&gt;"And after her death, these same people implied that her cancer was due to moral failing (imploded anger and not dealing with her ‘issues’) and not eating ‘healthily enough’."&lt;/i&gt;

Your mom's story might sound extreme (and it is), but I seriously don't think it is at all &lt;i&gt;unusual&lt;/i&gt; as our attitude toward health becomes more extreme. I have seen this same attitude toward genuinely sick people myself -- generally from well-intentioned friends or strangers. It's troubling and shows a startling lack of compassion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Fatadelic, your comment is actually exactly ON-TOPIC. I didn&#8217;t realize until after I wrote this that it would be interpreted as a message for people in fat acceptance. Really, it&#8217;s both a defense of HAES and a critique of the culture of healthism at large.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;And after her death, these same people implied that her cancer was due to moral failing (imploded anger and not dealing with her ‘issues’) and not eating ‘healthily enough’.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Your mom&#8217;s story might sound extreme (and it is), but I seriously don&#8217;t think it is at all <i>unusual</i> as our attitude toward health becomes more extreme. I have seen this same attitude toward genuinely sick people myself &#8212; generally from well-intentioned friends or strangers. It&#8217;s troubling and shows a startling lack of compassion.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatadelic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatadelic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To comment somewhat off topic, the whole "obligation to be healthy" thing is way out of control.

When my mother was diagnosed with an aggressive form of breast cancer, which spread into her bones and organs before it was detected and able to be treated, she was told repeatedly by 'well-meaning supporters' that she could conquer this disease by drinking juices and doing a detoxs.  This is when she was on morphine and her entire body was shutting down.  And after her death, these same people implied that her cancer was due to moral failing (imploded anger and not dealing with her 'issues') and not eating 'healthily enough'.  That these people were of the new-age hippy persuasion does not alter the fact that they believed being unwell was a personal failing, and therefore death was the ultimate failure.   That's an extreme example, but in our culture blaming the ill people for their illness is all too common these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To comment somewhat off topic, the whole &#8220;obligation to be healthy&#8221; thing is way out of control.</p>
<p>When my mother was diagnosed with an aggressive form of breast cancer, which spread into her bones and organs before it was detected and able to be treated, she was told repeatedly by &#8216;well-meaning supporters&#8217; that she could conquer this disease by drinking juices and doing a detoxs.  This is when she was on morphine and her entire body was shutting down.  And after her death, these same people implied that her cancer was due to moral failing (imploded anger and not dealing with her &#8216;issues&#8217;) and not eating &#8216;healthily enough&#8217;.  That these people were of the new-age hippy persuasion does not alter the fact that they believed being unwell was a personal failing, and therefore death was the ultimate failure.   That&#8217;s an extreme example, but in our culture blaming the ill people for their illness is all too common these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it's like I have a blog writer, or something . . . Seriously, I love most of what you've had to say, but it does get kinda tiring having to say "what she said" so often.  Good job.  Keep it up; you're probably doing better than I would.  Just one thing to add.

Yes, luck is the primary component in good health, but the reason we look down on those with less of that luck is not necessarily because we are striving for a zero-risk situation.  We've always had some idea of what was necessary to stay in good health, but staying on the right side of God just isn't seen as the be-all end-all it used to be.  Science now is that perfect route to salvation.  Besides that, there has always been a portion of population that achieved social status through being born with the appropriate genetics.  We've just decided to look down on people for something not quite as "shallow" as skin color or genitalia.  We can do that because we can tell ourselves (as a society) that science is an impartial God and we can believe that it has given us all the tools we need to achieve long, healthy, eternally youthful, life (immortality even!) and if you aren't all of these things, we get to believe that you just aren't doing it right.  It doesn't even matter that the science doesn't support these things, we're taking it on faith just as much as we used to take God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s like I have a blog writer, or something . . . Seriously, I love most of what you&#8217;ve had to say, but it does get kinda tiring having to say &#8220;what she said&#8221; so often.  Good job.  Keep it up; you&#8217;re probably doing better than I would.  Just one thing to add.</p>
<p>Yes, luck is the primary component in good health, but the reason we look down on those with less of that luck is not necessarily because we are striving for a zero-risk situation.  We&#8217;ve always had some idea of what was necessary to stay in good health, but staying on the right side of God just isn&#8217;t seen as the be-all end-all it used to be.  Science now is that perfect route to salvation.  Besides that, there has always been a portion of population that achieved social status through being born with the appropriate genetics.  We&#8217;ve just decided to look down on people for something not quite as &#8220;shallow&#8221; as skin color or genitalia.  We can do that because we can tell ourselves (as a society) that science is an impartial God and we can believe that it has given us all the tools we need to achieve long, healthy, eternally youthful, life (immortality even!) and if you aren&#8217;t all of these things, we get to believe that you just aren&#8217;t doing it right.  It doesn&#8217;t even matter that the science doesn&#8217;t support these things, we&#8217;re taking it on faith just as much as we used to take God.</p>
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		<title>By: peggynature</title>
		<link>http://peggynature.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/the-obligation-to-be-healthy-at-every-size/#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>peggynature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Sarah and Bri -- it's a strange issue, and though I wasn't targeting FA advocates who focus on HAES, specifically, I agree that it may be a problem if people (plural) are getting the same vibe about it. Health, outside of FA, has taken on moralistic overtones that I disagree with. Everyone, from time to time, seems to forget that there's no law written anywhere that states you must be healthy, or that health is even a matter of choice in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Sarah and Bri &#8212; it&#8217;s a strange issue, and though I wasn&#8217;t targeting FA advocates who focus on HAES, specifically, I agree that it may be a problem if people (plural) are getting the same vibe about it. Health, outside of FA, has taken on moralistic overtones that I disagree with. Everyone, from time to time, seems to forget that there&#8217;s no law written anywhere that states you must be healthy, or that health is even a matter of choice in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post. I think it needs to be said and that many HAES proponents don't fully realise that the constant focus on HAES is alienating a lot of fat people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post. I think it needs to be said and that many HAES proponents don&#8217;t fully realise that the constant focus on HAES is alienating a lot of fat people.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Brodwall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Brodwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post!  There are many of us who do experience this issue as divisive, from both the SA and HAES perspectives, so this is a point that really needs to be made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post!  There are many of us who do experience this issue as divisive, from both the SA and HAES perspectives, so this is a point that really needs to be made.</p>
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		<title>By: Tari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for me, empowerment comes in one flavor: the power to make my own choices by my own standards as much as humanly possible.  I think it takes a lot of work to know myself well enough to discern what's my desires talking, and what's a filter (like rebellion for rebellion's sake) or external influence (like cultural brainwashing)...and I think that's never a constant, but something I'm always examining for myself.  

For me, part of HAES is letting go of the idea that I *must* exercise and eat twigs and leaves to be healthy....and also letting go of the idea that those aren't options if they work for me.  In a truly neutral morality, neither is privileged, which is where I really try to come from.  And would like to see both FA and HAES conversations come from, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for me, empowerment comes in one flavor: the power to make my own choices by my own standards as much as humanly possible.  I think it takes a lot of work to know myself well enough to discern what&#8217;s my desires talking, and what&#8217;s a filter (like rebellion for rebellion&#8217;s sake) or external influence (like cultural brainwashing)&#8230;and I think that&#8217;s never a constant, but something I&#8217;m always examining for myself.  </p>
<p>For me, part of HAES is letting go of the idea that I *must* exercise and eat twigs and leaves to be healthy&#8230;.and also letting go of the idea that those aren&#8217;t options if they work for me.  In a truly neutral morality, neither is privileged, which is where I really try to come from.  And would like to see both FA and HAES conversations come from, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Timing &#171; Zmama&#8217;s Balancing Act</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timing &#171; Zmama&#8217;s Balancing Act</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 18, 2008 by zmama75    I&#8217;m pretty amazed that the fatosphere is all a tizzy talking about HAES. This is exactly the conversation I need to be soaking my feet in. I see myself [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 18, 2008 by zmama75    I&#8217;m pretty amazed that the fatosphere is all a tizzy talking about HAES. This is exactly the conversation I need to be soaking my feet in. I see myself [...]</p>
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